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5x09 Namaste: Ginger Ale Talk
Sun - Why didn’t she time jump and her meeting with Christian
RACHEL: The only thing I can think of is that the island has other plans for her. That maybe she has another part to play out before she can join them .. or maybe she’s the one who will get them back to 2007.
SUSAN: Will they get to 2007?
RACHEL: Good question. I think there’s a chance that they won’t? But I do think Sun will join them eventually.
SUSAN: I guess maybe they are the Rose/Bernard of this timeline.
RACHEL: Maybe! Sun’s role was “Rose” on the Ajira flight. Why do you think Sun didn’t time jump with the rest of them?
SUSAN: I can’t figure it out honestly and it.s bothering me.
RACHEL: Same. I feel like she and even Locke should’ve time jumped but especially Sun.
SUSAN: Yeah, I mean, she’s not different. Her staying behind implies there is something different about her. I think, it bothers me so much because it’s convenient for the plot line. Now we have this whole Jin/Sun lovers that cannot be together thing and I really hope they didn’t come up with some lame reason just so they could get a more dramatic storyline.
RACHEL: Same here. What did you think of Sun meeting Christian? Since we heard Smokey right before he appeared, I guess he is a manifestation of that? And who controls Smokey? Jacob? Is Smokey Jacob’s security system? Because he seems to tell people where they need to go (Locke off the island, Sun to find Jin in 1977, etc).
SUSAN: Sun knew the tree clearing was Smokey right?
RACHEL: I’m not sure, I think she knew something was up but maybe didn’t know for sure if it was Smokey or not.
SUSAN: I got the impression she lied to get Lapidus to keep going. She’s been lying.. a lot. She’s a little shady.
RACHEL: You think? I actually like her character right now. She seems willing to do anything to get back to Jin. The way she took Ben down and just taking more initiative in general. I don’t think she lied to Lapidus to necessarily get him hurt. Because if she did know it was Smokey, she was putting herself in danger too.
SUSAN: Something about the whole thing makes me uneasy and Christian appearing to her. It’s very, Locke-like.
RACHEL: It was. But Christian seems to appear to people that he needs to do something. Like Locke, Michael .. Claire (I don’t know what that’s about). So maybe he needs Sun to do something.
SUSAN: So Sun was chosen? Does that mean Jacob is in control of when people go to?
RACHEL: It’s possible? He was able to control when Michael could die. Or at least it seemed that way.
SUSAN: This is very confusing. Jacob is orchestrating everything then.
RACHEL: Yes it is. But I got the impression that Jacob is at the head of everything and that other “leaders” (like Ben or Locke or Widmore) are either against or with Jacob’s plans.
SUSAN: But if Jacob controls everything, how can you go against him? Is this like a Satan vs God sort of thing?
RACHEL: True.. unless Jacob’s plan is to stay on the timeline as he knows it or to change the timeline. So that’s why there’s still a choice. Because people always have a choice.
SUSAN: So they still have free will then? I was going with what you said. Something just isn’t right. I feel like we’re missing a piece of the puzzle here that we really need.
RACHEL: Definitely. I’m kinda just thinking out loud but it does feel like we’re missing (a lot) of information.
SUSAN: Yes, something BIG is tying this all together and we don’t have a clue what that is yet.
Meeting Radzinsky
RACHEL: Yes! What did you think of him?
SUSAN: He’s pretty much exactly what I expected and he was definitely following a design from Buckminster Fuller (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckminster_Fuller) for whom the Bucky ball was named. And I therefore love him.
RACHEL: Interesting, his [Fuller’s] philosophy could be applied to what the Dharma Initiative is trying to do.
SUSAN: Maybe HE IS Jacob, lol. I think it proves they’re all Humanists.
At the last moment, he decided instead to embark on “an experiment, to find what a single individual [could] contribute to changing the world and Benefiting all humanity”. The U.S. government recognized the importance of his work, and employed him to make small domes for the army. Within a few years there were thousands of these domes around the world.Army!
RACHEL: That single individual could be Jacob. That could be his motivation.
SUSAN:
Fuller was a frequent flier, often crossing time zones. He famously wore three watches; one for the current zone, one for the zone he had departed, and one for the zone he was going to.[23][24] Fuller also noted that a single sheet of newsprint, inserted over a shirt and under a suit Jacket, provided completely effective heat insulation during long flights.How do you think Radzinsky ends up in the hatch? Because, he must already be down there for the purge right?
RACHEL: Well, that’s what he’s building right? Or that top secret project that he thought Sayid saw? The hatch? So maybe that’s why he ended up down there. Because he built it.
SUSAN: Is the hatch the Pearl? He said he was building the Pearl and I couldn’t remember that but I thought we’d heard it before.
RACHEL: According to Lostpedia: “At the Flame, Radzinsky is building a model of the Swan’s geodesic dome.”
SUSAN: So if the hatch doesn’t exist yet that means the source of the energy that needs to be released cannot exist.
RACHEL: Or it does exist and that’s why they’re building the hatch.
SUSAN: So.. what is releasing the energy now? And why does Radzinsky draw a map of the island if he already knows the island?
RACHEL: Maybe he didn’t draw it for himself. That kinda makes sense right? Like maybe that was for someone specific or just a message to anyone who sees it.
SUSAN: Oh my. But what message does it send? And another thing - Radinzsky designs the hatch, therefore puts in the Egyptian glyphs,
RACHEL: I didn’t even think of that! I’m also wondering what drives him to kill himself. He doesn’t seem depressed? Maybe a lil’ prickly but not depressed.
SUSAN: You know, that guy who was in the hatch with Desmond - what if he kills Radinzsky in the Purge?
RACHEL: Hmm I was under the impression that they were in the hatch after the Purge.
SUSAN: Well, Desmond was but what about the other guy. Oh no wait, maybe he was too young. Eh, I stick to my hostile theory - that a hostile infiltrates the hatch and kills Radinzsky.
Ethan is Amy & Horace’s son
SUSAN: Me neither but it has implications. Because Ethan is Horace’s son, who Ben helped kill in the Purge. And he had that moment when he closed his eyes. But Ethan survives the purge so the Hostile/Others stole a baby. And.. if Horace is indeed connected to Jacob lineage they may have stolen a descendant of Jacob.
RACHEL: Ohhh good point. So you think that Ben deliberately allowed Ethan to live?
SUSAN: Maybe? I think there’s some correlation there. Ben is an adult for the purge right? And he’s maybe 12 years older than Ethan?
RACHEL: Yes, he looked exactly as he does now.
SUSAN: So Ethan is maybe, 10ish for the purge? He’s old enough to remember. Did he switch to the Hostiles?
RACHEL: But during the purge, Ben looked as he does now - much older than 20s I think. Not necessarily, I just think Ethan may have been much older than 10 for the purge
SUSAN: Hmm but if he’s older, he has to make the choice then.
RACHEL: Right - so why did he make the choice he did unless he was taken captive by the hostiles right before the purge happened.
SUSAN: And then slowly became one of them.
RACHEL: Ye but like you said, the effort to keep him alive must mean there’s something special about him? Or he hated the Dharma like Ben did.
SUSAN: Or he has a bad relationship with his father like Ben did, because we’ve already seen Horace drinking.
RACHEL: True, for all we know, he could’ve helped Ben. Another thing to note about Ethan is his last name. Why isn’t it Goodspeed?
SUSAN: What IS Ethan’s last name?
RACHEL: Rom. Did he take Amy’s last name? Or change it completely after the purge? Another thought, I wonder if that’s why Juliet was brought to the island later. Because maybe the last time a baby was successfully conceived and delivered on the island was by Juliet with Ethan and later it’s Ethan who goes to recruit Juliet too.
SUSAN: OH! I love that. That would make a lot of sense. I really like that.
Where’s Faraday?
RACHEL: Oh! I like that idea and it makes sense that the others would stay because they’re waiting for Locke to come back.
SUSAN: But Faraday’s only interest is Charlotte now.
RACHEL: And saving her?
SUSAN: Presumably? We know he was down in.. the mine?
RACHEL: Yes, working where the donkey wheel is located.
SUSAN: Which can’t be the hatch because then the hatch would have been next to the greenhouse place.
RACHEL: The donkey wheel is located beneath the Orchid station (just checked Lostpedia) and the hatch is the Swan station.
SUSAN: I forgot where I was going with this. Now I’m thinking maybe he went into the future and passes himself off as Radzinsky.
RACHEL: That would be interesting!
Juliet-Sawyer-Jack-Kate Love Rectangle / Leadership Tension
RACHEL: Omg yes! I went from finding her annoying to seriously disliking her especially the promo for next week. What a homewrecker.
SUSAN: Why doesn’t she just go with Jack and be done with it. Juliet and Sawyer are happy dammit.
RACHEL: Exactly! They’re just such a good team. The way they’ve stayed undercover in the Dharma Initiative shows that and their good leadership.
SUSAN: Yes! Now Kate.. with her powers. No, actually, I’m not being fair. It’s not just her. Sawyer needs to man up and not act all googly eyed when Kate comes back.
RACHEL: This is very true. He’s got a good thing with Juliet. I felt really bad for her.
SUSAN: Yes! She STAYED for him.
RACHEL: Exactly. Plus Kate is so back and forth. Even Sawyer knew that. One minute she wants Jack, the next she wants Sawyer. I wonder if that’s why Kate came back or decided to get on the plane - to come back for Sawyer.
SUSAN: But why sleep with Jack if she was coming back for Sawyer?
RACHEL: Because she was upset about leaving behind Aaron? When she’s upset, she seems to just jump the nearest guy (Sawyer or Jack). Clearly I don’t have a high opinion of Kate lol.
SUSAN: Hahahahaha - she does bounce between them quite a bit.
RACHEL: Yes! She was upset about Sawyer being sick, so she kisses Jack. She was upset about seeing Jack having dinner with Juliet, so she sleeps with Sawyer. When they were stuck in the cage, I think she was just upset in general, so she slept with Sawyer. The point is, she and Jack deserve each other so they should stay together. Which brings me to Sawyer and Jack - definitely a little bit of a leadership showdown there. Until Sawyer pointed it out, I hadn’t pinpointed the difference between their leadership styles. But it’s so true. Jack just reacted whereas Sawyer seems to think it out and plan.
SUSAN: Yes! Which proves Sawyer is smarter and the one who should get the girl that DOESN’T randomly sleep with another guy when she gets upset.
RACHEL: Exactly! That moment made me think of something you brought up a couple weeks ago. How maybe the person who should have been the leader was Sawyer from the very beginning. Not Jack.
SUSAN: Yes and now he’s going to set things right.
Sayid & Young Ben
RACHEL: Or is it like what happened with Desmond? Where he suddenly remembers this new old memory
SUSAN: See, that brings us back to the argument about how this all works because Charlotte remembered Faraday even though he had not gone back in time yet.
RACHEL: True. But maybe that happened because Charlotte’s mind was jumping. Not her body and mind like when the island was flashing.
SUSAN: Whoa. Okay so.. if you mind jump you can see things that haven’t happened yet but will. And if you body jump you create memories that didn’t exist before?.
RACHEL: Maybe? Because she’s the only one this has happened with (remembering Faraday). And she’s the only one to start mind jumping before dying. And maybe you only mind jump when you’re about to die..? Or close to it.
SUSAN: But Desmond mind jumped.
RACHEL: Desmond is special though. Or so everyone keeps saying.
SUSAN: And on that very confusing note ..
RACHEL: Can’t wait for next week!
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