5x10 He’s Our You: Ginger Ale Talk

Were the rules broken?

SUSAN: A friend’s away message: “From the season opener, in response to the thought of time travel to kill Hitler Dr. Chang says, ‘Don’t be ridiculous. There are rules, which can’t be broken.’ Looks like we’re going to find out about these rules very soon.” Which makes me think that Keamy is the only one that’s broken the rules thus far and Ben’s daughter is actually supposed to be back in time with the rest of them.
RACHEL: So is killing Ben like course correcting..?
SUSAN: Um that much I haven’t figured out yet.
RACHEL: So I’m just grasping at straws here. But if Alex was never supposed to die, maybe this is course correcting for her. Because if Ben isn’t alive to take her away from Rousseau then maybe she never would’ve been killed by Keamy. By the way, I’m reading the one recap that’s posted online (this early in the morning) BUT it’s speculating if Ben AND Jin are dead. I didn’t think he killed Jin?
SUSAN: No, he just punched him. But I just realized Ben then knew Jin was alive even before Locke told him.
RACHEL: If he has all those memories, then yes he would know that they’re all alive. But then wouldn’t he also have known who would go back? Because at one point when he spoke to Eloise Hawking, he seemed to think he wouldn’t be able to get any of them.
SUSAN: Well he seems to know what is supposed to happen and be vaguer on getting it there. Like, he also seemed to needed Eloise Hawking’s name from Locke. I think he know that x + y = 4 but he doesn’t know what “y” is.
RACHEL: That’s a good point. Maybe present Ben does have those memories. And maybe Sayid was always meant to shoot kid Ben thus turning him into the person we know now. So maybe Sayid isn’t breaking the rules? But playing out the part he was supposed to.
SUSAN: Yes I think the only person that broke the rules is Keamy or by association, Widmore. Because it came as a shock to Ben like it hadn’t happened before.
RACHEL: True, he did seem genuinely shocked by that.

Ben - dead or alive?
SUSAN: so, Ben .. dead?
RACHEL: I don’t think he is because Sayid ran off pretty quickly. My coworkers brought up an interesting point. That maybe Jack will save Ben AGAIN. He saved him already as an adult. Maybe he’ll save him again as a kid.
SUSAN: OH, I like that. The whole mirroring the past thing. Or future. Or something. Which brings Juliet and Jack together again?
RACHEL: Maybe inside an operating room but I don’t think relationship-wise. Or I could be delusional cause I want Sawyer & Juliet together.
SUSAN: Hahahahah - we all do…
RACHEL: But I do think they are mirroring the past. In particular season 2 (isn’t that when Sawyer, Jack and Kate were captured by the others?). And Hurley technically but they let him go.
SUSAN: Yeah, there’s definitely some replay action and the whole Sayid is a prisoner and Ben comes to see him.
RACHEL: It’s like when Ben was their prisoner and Sayid went to see him. I had an awful thought. Remember how Jack caught Kate and Sawyer via the Dharma videos.. what if Juliet catches them this time around!
SUSAN: GAH.
RACHEL: What do you think will happen?
SUSAN: I think Ben goes into the hospital and I think we see some back and forth in Jack but ultimately, he’s still Jack, and he saves him.
RACHEL: I agree, I think if Ben is still alive.. Jack will be the one to save him.
SUSAN: But if they really wanted to win me over especially after the Charlotte 1979 incident, they would have Jack refuse and then have Sawyer convince Juliet to come in and save the day.

Sawyer
RACHEL: What else to discuss?
SUSAN: Sawyer and his inability to keep his eyes on his OWN WOMAN.
RACHEL: I know! I was a little surprised by how far he was willing to go with the Dharma Initiative over Sayid. Taking him to Oldham, raising his hand to have Sayid executed. I feel like the old Sawyer would have fought harder for Sayid. I think he’s settled into being one of the Dharma Initiative a little too much.
SUSAN: Definitely. Well, its kind of the only thing he’s ever been good at. Although, by the same token, it’s just one long con. So.. does that mean his life with Juliet is a con too?
RACHEL: Maybe? Did you notice that Juliet said to him about “playing house”. It’s exactly what Kate said to him last season. The life he has with Juliet now is exactly what he wanted to try with Kate.
SUSAN: Omg, I didn’t put that together. And it’s working with Juliet.
RACHEL: Exactly. He should just stay with her. Do you think Kate came back for Sawyer?
SUSAN: You know, I hate how they cut her off like that. It was a bit of a cheap move. It certainly seemed like that’s what she was building to. Do you think she did?
RACHEL: I think it’s either Sawyer or Claire/Aaron related.
SUSAN: She did seem upset when she found out about them.
RACHEL: Yes she did. But what did she expect? That he’d spend the rest of his life pining over her while SHE got engaged to Jack. And if Jack hadn’t gone a lil’ crazy, she would still be engaged to him.
SUSAN: Yeah, she’s a bitch.

What does Horace know?
SUSAN: I was thinking - did we address Horace suspicions? Because, I thought something was fishy there.

Faraday’s Whereabouts
SUSAN: Just had a BIG Faraday thought. What if he’s at Oxford? Remember how his lab was all boarded up? Maybe that was because he’d taught there in the 80s and also why he seemed to already have such an extensive knowledge of time travel when he got to the island. And always seemed to be hiding something.
RACHEL: So you think Faraday managed to get off the island too?
SUSAN: Yes, I think he took a sub and went back to Oxford. Which implies in 2007 he’s sixty something if he’s still alive.