What does everyone want?
SUSAN: Hooray Desmond!
RACHEL: Yess! Desmond! Always a good episode when it’s about him. I read an interesting observation this morning:
“The L.A.-verse is devoid of love. Desmond’s “flash-sideways” involves him being happy and prosperous - but loveless. And indeed, it turns out to be significant that all the other main Losties are also missing out on their major love relationships. (Except for Locke, who’s got Helen. Interesting.)”
(Source: http://io9.com/5511351/15-things-we-learned-in-last-nights-lost)
RACHEL: AND remember how we speculated about Sideways Locke being the MIB? Maybe that’s why Locke gets Helen / “love” whereas the other people do not. If the island is underwater in the sideways timeline, then there’s a chance that Smokey did get out after all. Mostly, I just thought the point about Locke getting Helen was interesting, whereas everyone else didn’t or haven’t gotten their love.
SUSAN: Hmm. I think I disagree a bit. I think Locke finally got someone not telling him what he can’t do. Also, Jin and Sun still have each other. I think we should figure out what each of them wanted the most.
RACHEL: Good idea. Who to start with?
SUSAN: Locke wanted his disability to be accepted, and to be recognized as having ability.
RACHEL: Sayid wanted Nadia alive and safe.
SUSAN: Jack wanted acceptance from his father, and to be able to put his death behind him. (Which I think he got from his son.)
RACHEL: Agreed. And I think Sayid got what he wanted too, she is alive and safe. Just not with him. What about Sawyer/Kate? Do you think that Kate ultimately just wants to keep running?
SUSAN: No, I don’t think we’ve seen the end of Kate’s story.
RACHEL: And Sawyer?
SUSAN: Revenge?
RACHEL: I agree with that but I think he wants the revenge partially because he thinks it’ll somehow free him from the past too. I think that’s what Kate wants too in a sense (to be free).
SUSAN: True. It’s hard to tell what kate really wants since her character has no depth.
RACHEL: What about Sun and Jin?
SUSAN: Well Jin only ever wanted Sun I think. Sun…I’m not sure.
RACHEL: With Sun, I think it’s a toss up between Jin and maybe escaping her father.
SUSAN: Ah yes.
RACHEL: Claire? She wants Aaron?
SUSAN: Well, it’s what they came to the island wanting, right? Not what they came to want on the island?
RACHEL: That’s a good point.
SUSAN: So she wanted to get rid of aaron didn’t she? I mean, see him raised well I guess. That’s a better way to put it
RACHEL: Right, I think she wanted what was best for Aaron and at the time, she didn’t think her being the one to raise him was the best option.
SUSAN: So does that mean she doesn’t get what she wants in her flash sideways?
RACHEL: If she wanted what was best for Aaron, then I think she did. I think her raising him is what’s best, even if she doesn’t think so.
SUSAN: True. Or her story isn’t done yet.
RACHEL: Or that.
SUSAN: I guess Charlie wanted DriveShaft to be successful? So he got that.
RACHEL: I guess? That seems so.. superficial compared to everyone else’s wants. But I can’t think of anything else.
SUSAN: Well I got the impression from last night, we are supposed to think these wants are superficial.
RACHEL: Compared to? Love? Which reminds me. There was a recent E! Online interview with Damon Lindelof and they had the following convo:
“A couple weeks ago, after I got a little intel on tonight’s episode, I floated the following theory to Damon: ‘Is it safe to say that at its very core Lost is a love story?’
Damon replied: ‘You are the very first person ever to get the meaning of the show. Yes. It is a love story. Always has been… always will be.’”
(Source: http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/watch_with_kristin/b175281_lost_redux_find_out_what_this_show.html#ixzz0kQgaUbhz)
SUSAN: I see.
RACHEL: You seem skeptical.
SUSAN: Not skeptical, but a little let down because instantly my mind goes to Kate and her perpetual “who do I love” saga.
RACHEL: Please not Kate. I want Desmond and Penny goodness! Jin and Sun! Sawyer and JULIET!
SUSAN: But in the flash sideways, I think they’re moving towards Sawyer and Kate and I think Jack will be back with his ex.
RACHEL: It does seem that way but at the same time, Kate gave Jack a (few) long looks. One of those, I think we’ve met before kind of look. She hasn’t looked at Sawyer that way. She’s just bumped into him a bunch of times.
SUSAN: Yeah, something shady going on. Is Hurley going to get Libby back?
RACHEL: I hope so! Oh - Hurley! We forgot about him. He ultimately wants to not be cursed anymore?
SUSAN: See, I always thought his ultimate want would be to have things not change because he hated how everything changed. And yet, in his flash sideways, I think things changed. So I don’t know, lol.
Desmond
SUSAN: On a side note, because I’ve been waiting to say it for awhile - the MRI machine makes the exact same noise as the flash sideways noise, no?
RACHEL: Does it? I didn’t really notice. I just noticed that the nurse/tech person asked Desmond the same questions about not having any metal, coins, etc. on him.
SUSAN: Yes, I think it’s the same noise.
RACHEL: I’ll have to watch again. I want to rewatch it anyways :) What about that final scene with Desmond? What do you think he’ll show them?
SUSAN: I think he’s going to help them see their other lives. I think he can somehow serve as a link between worlds.
RACHEL: I agree, I’m just curious as to how. Maybe he’ll give them all near death experiences, lol.
SUSAN: LOL. I wonder what will happen when he gets to Sayid? If he truly has the sickness in both worlds.
RACHEL: You think he’s sick in sideways world? Speaking of Sayid! After he killed those two guys and asked Desmond to come with him, I was thrown off by Desmond being all, oh sure I’ll follow you.
SUSAN: Yeah.. I think Desmond sees a larger picture.
SUSAN: My theory is, he knows he has to kill Locke or MIB, whatever you want to call him.
RACHEL: Unless the MIB gets to him first or rather, kills him first.
SUSAN: Des can’t die!
RACHEL: I know! I will be very upset if that happens.
SUSAN: I think he will have to give up Penny, I think that’s the sacrifice.
RACHEL: Yeah, I got that feeling as well. With all these people knowing the importance of Desmond, I’m wondering if the MIB knows too.
SUSAN: I don’t think MIB does because I think Desmond became an anomaly.
RACHEL: .. After he turned the fail safe key? Or was he always an anomaly?
SUSAN: I’m gonna go with fail safe turning, although no, because so many people influenced him before then.
RACHEL: I’m leaning towards him always being an anomaly too. Off-topic but do you think Penny’s mother is significant?
SUSAN: I’m going with no because I think it’s too late in the game, and it would be a major plot point.
RACHEL: Good point.
Whatever happened..
SUSAN: Have you noticed people keep saying whatever happened happened?
RACHEL: Yes! Eloise, in particular, made a lot of throw back comments. The look on her face when Desmond first showed up? She knew who he was right away. And then her little speech to him about staying on his current path.
SUSAN: Yes, she seems to bridge the gap. She always knows everything that’s going on. And if she knows, do you think Widmore knows? Is he like her?
RACHEL: Exactly! Why is that? It seems like the two of them are always trying to keep things on track. Especially Eloise. I can see why Eloise would want the sideways timeline since Faraday doesn’t die.
SUSAN: But she said Desmond wasn’t ready yet. Ready for what? And what makes him ready?
RACHEL: Maybe.. these two timeline can’t exist at the same time. Either one will prevail or they have to merge somehow and maybe Eloise knows this. That could be what Desmond isn’t ready for yet. Since he’s the key to.. something.
SUSAN: To merging them? And him seeing Penny merges them! Ohhh because he fainted when he touched her, because she’s his constant.
RACHEL: Right, I think that nearly drowning and the MRI may have started to trigger memories from the original timeline. But it seemed like seeing/touching Penny really sent him over the edge.
SUSAN: Yes, because it’s like the last time when he became unstuck in time. He had to find Penny and this time he did it again, only now he’s linked the worlds. It’s genius!
RACHEL: It is!
Widmore’s Plan
RACHEL: I had this funny thought when I saw where Widmore was going to perform that test on Desmond. Since it was basically just a box, it made think of what Ben once said about there being a magic box on the island.
SUSAN: Hmm, good point.
RACHEL: It’s safe to assume that Widmore wants to create another electromagnetic event, right?
SUSAN: Yes. I think that is required to kill Flocke.
RACHEL: I didn’t even think of that! But that makes sense. Because the pylons probably emit a similar energy and they keep Smokey away. I was actually thinking if that will cause the two timelines to fully merge or undo what the hydrogen bomb did.
SUSAN: So I was just thinking - the Widmores wanted everyone to go back and set off the bomb, right?
RACHEL: I don’t know about the bomb but I agree that they wanted everyone to go back.
SUSAN: Well I think what I’m arguing is that they knew this alternate timeline would come about and they wanted it that way because maybe the only way to kill MIB, is to have this alternate timeline exist.
RACHEL: I’m on board with them knowing about the alternate timeline especially Eloise since she knows everything. But okay, let’s say that create this other electromagnetic event and kill MIB in the original timeline. Does killing the MIB cause the original timeline to not exist and they’re left with the alternate? Do the timelines merge? Or does the alternate timeline go away?
SUSAN: Hmm..
We’ve been behind on the ginger ale talks lately but that ends now (hopefully!). Only 6 episodes left!